Premium Podcast Episode 141
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Big Updates to Find A Grave Records at Ancestry.com
If you’re looking for cemetery records, you’re in luck! This week there have been massive updates to Find A Grave’s global databases at Ancestry.com. But why search Find A Grave at Ancestry.com? We can think of 3 good reasons.
Find A Grave at Ancestry.com: Updated Collections
Did you know you can use Google Earth to find cemeteries? Click here to learn how.
The following Find A Grave collections have all been updated to Ancestry.com, where they can be linked directly to your tree:
- Global, Index for Burials at Sea and other Select Burial Locations, 1300s-Current
- UK & Ireland 1300s-Current
- Canada 1600s-Current
- Australia & New Zealand 1800s-Current
- Germany 1600s-Current
- United States 1600s-Current
- Italy 1800s-Current
- Norway 1800s-Current
- Sweden 1800s-Current
- Mexico 1800s-Current
- Brazil 1800s-Current
You’ll also find these records updated at FamilySearch.com as well.
If there’s a specific grave you’re looking for, ask Find a Grave to help! Click here to learn how to submit a photo request to both Find a Grave and Billion Graves.
Why Use Find A Grave at Ancestry.com?
Sunny Morton, Genealogy Giants Guru
Find A Grave is a free website with crowd-sourced tombstone images and transcriptions from cemeteries all over the world. Last we checked, they boast 162 million grave records! Their catalog of cemeteries tops 400,000, spread out over 200 different countries, and they have at least a partial listing of graves for well over half of these (over 250,000).
So why would you go to Ancestry.com to search records that are already free at Find A Grave? Genealogy Gems Contributing Editor Sunny Morton, our resident expert on the giant genealogy websites, says:
“If you’re already an Ancestry.com subscriber, searching Find A Grave from within Ancestry.com may be a good choice for these three reasons:
1. One-stop searching. You’re already searching in Ancestry.com: you don’t need to remember to switch over to search Find A Grave separately for each ancestor.
2. Ancestry.com’s search tool. Find A Grave has a nice but basic search tool. It’s pickier about the search results it returns: does the spelling match? And is a potential result in the exact place you requested? (If you search a specific county, Find A Grave will only return results from that county–not in an adjacent county, across the state line, or even across the country where an ancestor may have been interred.) Lacey has a great example below.
From Lacey: Here’s a search of my 3X great grandfather at Find A Grave:
Unfortunately, no results:
I then hopped over to Ancestry, went to the card catalog, and searched the U.S. Find A Grave Index:
Turns out there was an extra “t” on his surname (see results below). I didn’t search on a partial name because I’ve never come across a different spelling of his before, and I certainly didn’t expect to see one on his tombstone! But sure enough, the name is not spelled as it had been throughout his life. It’s awfully nice that Ancestry could find it:
Ancestry.com is much more forgiving and flexible about spelling and places. It will return search result possibilities that don’t have to match exactly. As you can see from the screenshots above, Ancestry offers more fields to enter, including relatives’ names (and people are often buried with relatives), a more detailed place field, and keywords.
3. Tree-building ease. If you build your tree on Ancestry.com, it’s easy to attach Find A Grave search results to your ancestor’s tree profiles. If you search separately at Find A Grave, you have to create a separate source citation to attach to your tree.” (Note: hopefully, if you’re building your tree on Ancestry.com, you’re syncing it to your own software. RootsMagic and Family Tree Maker will both sync to your Ancestry tree–click here to see why Lisa Louise Cooke prefers RootsMagic.)
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Locating Hard to Find Genealogy Records!
Grab your mug! This Elevenses with Lisa LIVE show is exclusively for Premium Members. In this Premium episode we’ll be discussing how to find hard-to-find genealogical records. Our case study will be on divorce records, but you use these strategies with all types of records.
Show Notes – A Case Study: Divorce Records
Are you having trouble finding a particular genealogical record you need? It happens to all of us, so in this episode we will take one Premium Member’s question and follow the process of how to find those elusive records.
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Georgiann’s Question:
“I have found my great-grandma’s sister in 1910 census in Boulder, Colorado. In 1911 her husband had moved to Arkansas and married his second wife there. In a 1912 city directory of Boulder, Colorado, this sister is listed as a widow. Also listed as a widow in 1920 census. I have looked in Arkansas and Colorado for a divorce and have found nothing so far. I’m not sure what my next step would be.”
This is a great example of what we’re talking about. Everything you know so far indicates there’s a record out there, but it’s not in the usual places.
The process we will cover can apply to any type of record, though certainly not every situation. But I think it’s a great exercise for us all. And if you’re like Georgiann and specifically looking for a divorce record, well then you’re definitely going to be able to use these strategies in a very specific way.
State the Research Question
Great research plans begin with great research questions. The question should be specific. If it feels a little broad, try to break it down into a number of more specific questions. In this case our research question is: Did Clara and John Byerly divorce?
Create a research plan
Not every genealogical search requires a plan. However, when a record is hard to locate, that’s the perfect time to use this more structured process. A research plan doesn’t have to be formal, but it does help you search in a more strategic way.
Create a Timeline:
A timeline can help you tease apart the events and determine your target. Here’s a brief timeline for Clara B. Byerly:
1910 – Boulder, CO, listed as married in the census
1911 – her husband remarries in Arkansas
1912 – Boulder CO, listed as widowed in the city directory
1920 – Boulder CO, listed widowed census
Target identified: Divorce record between 1910 and 1911.
Identify the states where the divorce likely occurred
Google maps is an easy way to find your best geographic targets based on what we know. Here are our top two for Clara based on the current records:
- Colorado
- Arkansas
It’s worth making note of the bordering states on the way to Arkansas where her ex-husband John remarried just in case he filed for divorce: Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico.
Target update: Divorce record between 1910 and 1911, in Colorado or Arkansas.
Identify the Types of Records to Look for
Next, make a list of the types of records that might be able to tell us what happened. In Clara’s case, divorce records are our first choice, but other types of records may help. Here’s our list of targets in priority order:
- Divorce
- Newspapers – Is there an article or notice about the divorce?
- Marriage – What does John say his marital status is at the time of the second marriage?
List where each record might be found
The next step in creating your research plan is to brainstorm a list of potential locations for each record target. Here’s our starting list for this case:
Divorce records:
- org (free)
- Ancestry ($)
- MyHeritage ($)
- Google search (state libraries, courts, other niche genealogy sites)
Note: the search feature at the genealogy websites listed don’t search all collections. Check the Card Catalog as well.
Newspapers:
- Chronicling America (free) Check the Newspaper directory as well for offline papers.
- Check the top newspaper websites ($) to see if they have papers that match the target time and place (Newspapers.com, GenealogyBank)
- Google Search for repositories
As Georgiann discovered, in this case, the genealogy websites do not have a divorce record for Clara and John Byerly.
Online Searching for Online or Offline Records
If you can’t find the record you need at one of the big genealogy websites, it’s time to search online for records that may be on another website online, or listed in the catalog of a repository and online available offline.
When googling, we focus on finding the record collection rather the ancestors. Try both broad search and narrow searches so you catch everything. Your query will include targeted information such as type of record, geographic location and timeframe.
Example of a broad search query:
Colorado Divorce Records
Example of a narrow search query:
“divorce records” “boulder county” 1910..1912
In this query we place quotes around the record type to tell Google we want websites that include these exact phrases. Dates can be presented in a numrage search where we put the first date, two periods, and the second date. This tells Google to return only website that include a date (4-digit number year) that falls within this range. Learn more about Google search strategies in my book The Genealogist’s Google Toolbox.
Book by Lisa Louise Cooke – Available in the Genealogy Gems Store
Search results:
Colorado Genealogy on the Internet – includes links to the following:
- Colorado Divorce Index, 1851-1985 at Ancestry ($) (note: already searched)
- Colorado Statewide Divorce Index, 1900-1939 at FamilySearch (note: already searched)
- Colorado Divorce Records Index, 1880-1939: see the Colorado State Archives Historical Records Index Search (note: previous search result – check this site.)
Colorado State Archives – Divorce Records
This website remind us that although they provide an online search it is incomplete: “You can search for historical divorce records at the Colorado State Archives website here. This is not a complete database. If you don’t find the records, contact the State Archives directly.” This is the case with many libraries and archives.
Thankfully, we hit the jackpot at the Colorado State Archives. A search of the historical index for Clara Byerly retrieved the details of the record. Georgiann can use this information to order a copy (for a fee) from the archives. It’s always advantageous to see the original record as there could be an error in the transcription, and it may include additional information.
Our timeline for this case now looks more complete:
1910 – “married” in the census Boulder, CO
1910 – July 2 Divorced in Boulder, CO
1911 – husband remarries in Arkansas
1912 – “widowed” Boulder CO city directory
1920 – “widowed” Boulder CO census
More Online Strategies: Websites to Check for Links to Records
FamilySearch Wiki
Filter down to United States > Colorado > Boulder County
Result: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Colorado_Court_Records
USGenWeb
Google it: boulder county colorado usgenweb
https://www.cogenweb.com/boulder/
Filter at USGenWeb by Country > State > County
Question the Assumptions
Sometimes we’re looking for a record that doesn’t exist because things didn’t happen the way other records lead us to believe they did. In this case the question is “Did Clara and John Byerly really divorce?” It’s very possible that he left her and they didn’t formalize their divorce in Colorado. Also, a woman stating that she is a widow could be for the purpose of covering that up, or if they did actually divorce, to avoid the social stigma of being divorced.
If we exhaust all resources for divorce records and come up empty handed, we can then move on to the other record types. Getting the marriage record for the second marriage may answer the question if he disclosed the first marriage.
More Records to Look for Marriage Status and Divorce
In addition to actual historical divorce records check:
- newspapers
- obituaries
- city directories
- Census – Sometimes “M2” is listed indicating a second marriage. Did the husband in this case get listed that way?
Family History Episode 14 – How to Contact Long Lost Relatives
Originally published 2009
Republished January 14, 2014
https://lisalouisecooke.com/familyhistorypodcast/audio/fh14.mp3
Download the Show Notes for this Episode
Welcome to this step-by-step series for beginning genealogists—and more experienced ones who want to brush up or learn something new. I first ran this series in 2008-09. So many people have asked about it, I’m bringing it back in weekly segments.
Episode 14: How to Contact Long Lost Relatives
Connecting with someone who knows about our ancestors can really boost our research results—and even create new relationships among living kin. But it’s not always easy to send that first email or make that first call.
In today’s episode we talk about the skill of “genealogical cold calling.” We’ll chat with my cousin, Carolyn Ender, who has conducted hundreds of telephone interviews. She has a knack for quickly connecting with folks she doesn’t know over the telephone in ways that put them at ease and bring to light the information that she’s looking for.
But first, we do some follow up with an email from a listener about family trees. Then, I share a little story that puts into practice what we’ve learned so far in this podcast series.
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